That's odd, because the reason I do it after is because I was taught that way in the Day School (which I took to be the מנהג המקום, and is certainly now my personal minhag). I've noticed that I'm unusual in doing it that way, but not alone. (I'm posting this now after noticing the chazzan for mussaf yesterday doing it the same way as me.)
Have you looked it up in the Mishnah Berura?
No, but a quick gander at the Kitzur Shulchan Oruch, which I have in English, says you take three steps forward after גָאַל יִשְׂרָאֵל.
I also do it during that I am finished with it when I am at the spot. Then I can start with the actual Amidah immediately. That is how I learnt it from Deborah Silver who gave once lessons. (She is now a rabbinical student if you don't know who she is.)
I do it after if we do it all together but if say it just for myself then during. In SAMS (Saint Albans Masorti Synagogue)they always restart for themselves again as commanded by someone who announces what to do and every page.
Talking about Amidah. We have new Rabbi who has been ordained in New York recently. He leaves out morid hatal in the Amidah,too, like everybody else in SAMS. Is it not a necessary phrase then? I thought we include the small line for dew prayer and rain prayer at a certain period of time for Israel. Is it different if we are not in Israel? We don't need more wet. We have it all year.
מַשִׁיב הָרוּחַ is universal; מוֹרִיד הַטָּל is generally said only in Israel (which is why you'll not find it in the Singer's Prayerbook).
Some people say it outside of Israel, but that's a minority custom.
(In any case, it's not actually a prayer for dew/rain, but an acknowledgement that G-d is the source of dew/rain. The prayer for dew/rain is וְתֵן טַל וּמָטָר, in מְבָרֵךְ הַשָּׁנִים.)
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Date: 2010-08-08 02:57 pm (UTC)Yup
Date: 2010-08-08 03:57 pm (UTC)Have you looked it up in the Mishnah Berura?
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Date: 2010-08-08 04:12 pm (UTC)That's odd, because the reason I do it after is because I was taught that way in the Day School (which I took to be the מנהג המקום, and is certainly now my personal minhag). I've noticed that I'm unusual in doing it that way, but not alone. (I'm posting this now after noticing the chazzan for mussaf yesterday doing it the same way as me.)
Have you looked it up in the Mishnah Berura?
No, but a quick gander at the Kitzur Shulchan Oruch, which I have in English, says you take three steps forward after גָאַל יִשְׂרָאֵל.
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Date: 2010-08-10 02:06 pm (UTC)Some people say it outside of Israel, but that's a minority custom.
(In any case, it's not actually a prayer for dew/rain, but an acknowledgement that G-d is the source of dew/rain. The prayer for dew/rain is וְתֵן טַל וּמָטָר, in מְבָרֵךְ הַשָּׁנִים.)