*grouch*

Thursday, September 27th, 2012 01:06 pm
lethargic_man: Yellow smiley face, only with a neutral expression instead of the smile (Have a [gap] day)
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For me, being a Masorti Jew does not mean compromising on halacha. As in Orthodoxy, I regard Jews as bound by a precedent-based legal system that is determined and interpreted for each generation, by the leading rabbis of that generation. The difference from Orthodoxy is that I do not believe that decisions made by previous generations cannot be overruled on account of each generation not reaching the spiritual heights of the previous generation,* and therefore I expect halacha to be more open to change in the places where that change is truly needed.

* A philosophy that, though long engrained in Judaism is, not there if you go back far enough. Indeed, you can find what is effectively the legal basis of Masorti Judaism in the Mishna, if you know where to look:

Eduyos 5:1 עדיות ה א
Why do they record the opinion of the individual against that of the majority, whereas the halacha may only be according to the majority? That if a court [later] approves the opinion of the individual, it may rely upon him [i.e., it may know that there is a precedent and cite it]. ולמה מזכירין דברי היחיד בין המרובין הואיל ואין הלכה אלא כדברי המרובין, שאם יראה בית דין את דברי היחיד ויסמוך עליו׃

I am aware that the Masorti movement worldwide is quite varied, and Masorti Olami is an umbrella organisation covering a variety of movements with different philosophies, but I still think of the above as being something that binds the different Masorti movements together. Even when member organisations make ruling greatly diverging from traditional halacha, as (for example) the Conservative Movement in the States did rather a lot in the 1950s, it did so as a result of a teshuva passed by its Rabbinical Assembly, i.e. in accordance with the above model, rather than as unilateral decisions make by individual rabbis.

Consequently I cannot understand how a rabbi that calls themselves Masorti can with integrity do some of the things I have seen a rabbi I am not going to here name do, such as:

  • Rule that one may carry on Shabbos outside an eruv, because it is too hard to live a Jewish life without. Ahem, what about all of us who've been doing it for centuries? I think this rabbi has simply never tried doing so, or never tried for long enough to get over the initial difficulties. This is a דְאוֹרַייתָא prohibition, and therefore not one that should be dropped lightly.
  • Drop the repetition of Mussaf on days in which the service is running late. The whole reason I go to shul and daven with a minyan in the first place is to be able to respond to קַדִישׁ, בָּרְכוּ and קְדוּשָה (and to be able to listen to the Torah reading). If you're running late—for which you don't have my sympathy, as you've already hacked down your service to half an hour shorter than any other right-of-Reform service I've ever come across, and you're already doing Mussaf heicha kedusha in the normal running of things—you should damn well be doing Mussaf faster, with less singing, not missing out fundamental parts of the service. If in future this remains the case after my protestations, I am damn well going to an Orthodox shul on weeeks where I know this will be the case (such as Shabbos Rosh Chodesh).
  • Speak in between a בְּרָכָה and the מִצְוָה it's for, in particular give a sermon on Rosh Hashana in between the Torah service and Mussaf. Now, one could argue the מִצְוָה has been achieved by the end of the first set of shofar blasts (in which case, why does every other Orthodox and Masorti shul I have encountered keep silent until the end of the last shofar blast of all?), but I have also heard this rabbi addressing the children in between making הַמּוֹצִיא and eating the challah.

I am also not very impressed by other things in this community that are the result of the rabbi's rulings, such as the fact they never daven mincha before Kabbalas Shabbos, despite never starting less than a quarter of an hour after the advertised starting time, during pretty much the whole of which time there's a minyan, so it could be done. Schmooze after the service, to your heart's content, but the principle reason for going to shul should be davening with a minyan!

I have not yet dared raise these issues with this rabbi—as a non-member of their congregation, I don't think it's my place to—but I feel the need to have a good grouch about this here anyway and get it off my chest.

Date: 2012-09-27 12:19 pm (UTC)
curious_reader: (Girafe)
From: [personal profile] curious_reader
I agree with you on Mussaf, mitzvah and bracha. You should not change the tradition. It just leads to chaos. I absolutely do not like when people are talking in between. It makes me forget what we are actually doing. We should concentrate on these things.

Date: 2012-09-27 03:01 pm (UTC)
liv: In English: My fandom is text obsessed / In Hebrew: These are the words (words)
From: [personal profile] liv
Can you explain what's the story with needing to go straight from the Torah service into Musaf? I tend to put the sermon there because it's the least disruptive break-point. Is it that the Torah service contains the blessing for hearing the shofar, so you should refrain from speaking until you've heard all the shofar blowing for the entire service? I'm entirely willing to move my sermon if there's a good halachic reason for it!

Date: 2012-09-27 04:03 pm (UTC)
liv: In English: My fandom is text obsessed / In Hebrew: These are the words (words)
From: [personal profile] liv
That could work, thanks. You're quite right, it's not palatable to congregations to have a sermon right at the end of a service! Am I right that between Torah service and Musaf is ok on a normal shabbat when there's no shofar blowing?

The downside of putting the sermon within the Torah service is that the sifrei are out of the Ark, and it feels a bit odd to just put them down somewhere while I talk about stuff. The machzor my community use (Birnbaum) has Yizkor on YK right there between Kriat Torah and returning the scrolls, mind you, so obviously it can be done, it just feels odd. I'd need to think about getting the stage management right so that I can avoid breaking up blessings from their mitzvah but also retain reverence for the sifrei Torah.

Date: 2012-09-27 07:13 pm (UTC)
liv: In English: My fandom is text obsessed / In Hebrew: These are the words (words)
From: [personal profile] liv
Do the synagogues you're familiar with not have the problem of people showing up specially for Yizkor, then? Or people who leave because their parents are still alive? I would put Yizkor in the middle of the Torah service like the machzor says, except that that makes it really hard to time, and it's disruptive having people coming in and out. Also I think many Ortho shuls do a really short Yizkor, so it's reasonable to ask some people to stand on the bimah and hold the sifrei for that, just as you do for the community and national prayers, and that's respectful both to the prayers and to the scrolls.

A sermon is different, you'd have to pretty much just "park" the sifrei, which I don't find entirely comfortable. I do the thing you mentioned of The sefer Torah is resting now, so so can you.; that's fine if you lay the Torah on the desk so that you can read from it and people can sit down while they listen, because it still (to me) displays reverence. And people stand for Yizkor anyway, at least in my minhag, so the sitting down isn't a problem.

Reform shuls do Yizkor just before Minchah, which I find much more straightforward! But that's another thing.

Date: 2012-09-28 09:19 am (UTC)
curious_reader: (Girafe)
From: [personal profile] curious_reader
It is not a big issue for me to leave during Yiskor a big Shul like the NNLS or the Assif Minyan but it is in St Albans. They need a minyan. That is why the non-bereaved ones have to stay if they are short of people. I prefer to leave as it has nothing to do with me but was hindered to do so.

Date: 2012-09-30 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] furtivepatach
We also do haftarah while the Torahs are out. What's the difference?

Date: 2012-09-30 09:28 am (UTC)
liv: In English: My fandom is text obsessed / In Hebrew: These are the words (words)
From: [personal profile] liv
That seems like a convincing argument why I should go against the instincts from my Reform upbringing and give a sermon during the Torah service on RH, thank you. For me the thing with calling someone up as Maftir does help to connect the Haftarah reading to the public Torah reading, even if the reading itself is done from the chumash. But yeah, a sermon should be a d'var Torah, it's not just random babbling from me, so it's not necessarily disrespectful to have that in the Torah service.

Eruv

Date: 2012-09-30 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] furtivepatach
Carrying in an area without an eruv that *could* have an eruv is a d'rabbanan prohibition, not d'orita. You can only build an eruv in a karmalit, because it's basically an exception to the geizara against carrying in a karmalit. A real reshut harabbim can't have an eruv in it. (Which is a reason eruvin are controversial on some circles, there's a real case to be made that city-wide eruvin are *always* over a reshut ha-rabbim).

Date: 2012-09-30 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] furtivepatach
Also, while I'm opposed to skipping chazarat ha-shatz on many grounds, it is not assur and it is not a new thing.

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