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Last weekend, [livejournal.com profile] aviva_m took me to the Pergamon Museum in Berlin, where I was able to follow up my visit to the Babylon exhibition at the British Museum with [livejournal.com profile] green_knight by seeing the actual fabled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar_Gate of ancient Babylon. (<fx: [livejournal.com profile] green_knight goes green(er) with envy>).

The museum featured a large amount of artefacts from the ancient world, but with a surprisingly small number of explanatory labels. Actually, that's not entirely true: There was a lot of explanatory text on the artefacts; unfortunately it was all in Akkadian. I'm beginning to think I ought to teach myself cuneiform in the same way as I taught myself the Arabian alphabet, to look for Hebrew cognates (quite a few of which I was able to spot in transliterated names). Unfortunately, that wouldn't be as easy: cuneiform (a) is a syllabary, not an alphabet (b) is ideally suited for Sumerian and poorly suited for Semitic languages (the relationship is similar to how Mycenaean Greek really had to be shoehorned to be fitted into Linear B), (c) changed over time; and (d) once I'd learned it, I couldn't reinforce it by reading labels on supermarket produce or on mosques temples, the same way I could with Arabic.

Anyhow, in the absence of explanatory captions, I came up with some of my own to compensate:

This is Ashurbanipal about to take a photo (the camera he was holding was stolen in antiquity by tomb robbers):

photograph

No goddess is complete without her handbag:

photograph

Afterwards, we demonstrated that anything Jesus could do we can do better by walking quarter of a mile along the top of a channel (or possibly canal—the difference doesn't seem to exist in German) of the river:

photograph

Whilst I'm at it, here's a painting we saw at the start of the year in our date at the Tate, which rather impressed me. This is Francis Danby's A Subject from Revelations (it would work better if the reproduction were several times the size, and you were viewing it, as we were, from below, so that the eye is drawn at first to the human-sized landscape at the bottom, and only then takes in the sheer scale of the angel figure):

painting

What I found astonishing about it was that this was painted in 1829!

[livejournal.com profile] aviva_m also took me to an exhibition on kashrus at the Jewish Museum; I now have a plastic smart spoon (like a smart card, but spoon-shaped) sitting on my desk bearing tokens I picked up around the exhibition, which I can exchange at the museum website for recipes. :o)

Date: 2010-02-21 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curious-reader.livejournal.com
There are a lot words in English where there is no difference in German but there are some where I could only find a difference in German but not English. How much German did you learn meanwhile?

Date: 2010-02-21 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
You asked how many German words I learned in the meantime, not how many I knew in the first place!

Date: 2010-02-21 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curious-reader.livejournal.com
I did not understand you are not asking a question. I thought you wanted to know how many words have no difference in German whilst they have a difference in English. Channel and Canal is one of them.

Date: 2010-02-21 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curious-reader.livejournal.com
You will come across them whilst you learn. I always discover new words where is no difference in German.

Date: 2010-02-21 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Well, if I set out to learn German, which I have not yet done.

Date: 2010-02-21 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
Three words - if they're the right three words - are all you need, really ;-)

Date: 2010-02-21 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
YM "sprechen Sie Englisch?"? :o)

Date: 2010-02-22 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khiemtran.livejournal.com
A friend who travelled around Europe said he only needed one phrase in Germany "Zwei bier bitte" (actually, that sounds wrong, does bier need to be pluralized?). I asked him what happened when he only wanted one beer and he said the situation had never come up...

Date: 2010-02-22 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curious-reader.livejournal.com
I am German but I have never heard someone using the plural. I won't make sense to me as it is not countable. Anyway, the Germans never cared much about correct grammar. Nobody speaks the right grammar and not everybody has learnt it.

Date: 2010-02-23 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Shock! Horror! German disregard for rules? Hold the front page!

Date: 2010-02-23 11:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aviva-m.livejournal.com
In general one doesn't use plural for substances, so you would also order "zwei Tee, zwei Milch" (yes, one can also order non-alcoholic beverages in Germany). "Zwei Biere" would refer to two different types of beer. So next time you are in a Kneipe, you know, what to do.
(Now wasn't that a very wise and intellectual first entry on your blog ;-)

Date: 2010-02-23 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curious-reader.livejournal.com
I told you so beforehand. In the past maybe 19th century the aristocrats and other sophicticated people spoke the correct grammar. But as soon as the usual folks took over the German language and grammar suffered. The usual folks spoke dialects and now there is hardly anyone speaking dialects but keeps the bad grammar. The German lady I stayed with several times said that the German education became very bad. I said people do not read much and therefore do not know much grammar.
Not every English uses correct grammar either in English.

Date: 2010-02-28 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khiemtran.livejournal.com
Thanks for the info!

Date: 2010-02-22 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
<rolls eyes> First you have to drink enough of the stuff to acquire the taste...

Date: 2010-02-21 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khiemtran.livejournal.com
"Ashurbinal gets bored during portrait sitting and starts reading paper."

(Sounds like a great trip, I'd love to see the Pergamon Museum one day...)

Date: 2010-02-21 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
<fx: green_knight goes green(er) with envy>

<looks in mirror>

Damn, how did you know?

Love the captions, and love the third photo.

Date: 2010-02-21 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhole.livejournal.com
Well, it's not really my field of expertise, but maybe I can shed a little light. The bird headed genie was probably facing a tree, and there would have been another genie on the other side, looking more or less the same; that's neo-Assyrian, I think.

Vague memory tells me that they're protective spirits, and that the handbag was for carrying water, and the whatsits in the other hand is for sprinkling water; you'll often find those guys flanking a palm tree. I'm not sure if they're purifying the tree, or the tree is also protective. I think that either the handbag or the whatsit is called a mullilu, but I could be wrong about that.

I'm not at all sure that's Ashurbanipal--his beard is too short. But he does look more or less right for a neo-Assyrian as well.

Date: 2010-02-21 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Yay for knowledgeable friends! (It may well not be Ashurbanipal; I foolishly wrote down who he was on my museum ticket rather than my diary, and I've since mislaid it.)

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